Profitable Lays System Review
Profitable Lays System Review
Profitable Lays
Welcome to our review of Profitable Lays
Profitable Lays is a system created by Chris Adams and is, as the title suggests, a lay to lose system that can be downloaded as an E-book: the cost of which is normally £97.00, but is currently available at a discounted price of just £67.
The vendor states that no previous knowledge of horse racing or mathematics are necessary. He says that all selections can be found in an average of 25 mins and there is no need to be constantly at your computer as they can be found and bets placed before racing starts, although he says that he prefers to be at his computer.
Profitable Lays is completely mechanical which means that everybody selects the same horses. There are only 3 rigid rules and the system usually selects between 4-5 races daily with and average losing SP of 11/8.
The vendor states that Profitable Lays has been showing a monthly profit of over £700 for £25.00 stakes with the longest losing run of only 3 days in one full calendar month and has been delivering a strike rate of over 60%.
The system has been fully tested by the vendor on UK races only but he does know that these bets can be placed on American – Australian and South African racing.
Profitable Lays can be used with at least one of the major Bots: details of which are given in the E-Book.
I will be reviewing Profitable Lays for a period of 60 days and will calculate all bets to Betfair SP.
I will use a 1 point level stake where 1 point will be the equivalent of £10.00.
All returns will be shown less a 5% deduction for Betfair commission.
Profitable Lays: the Bottom Line
Firstly, my thoughts on the positive side.
The Profitable Lays selections are very easy to find only taking approx 10 mins daily and as an extra plus I found the author very accessible with any queries I had. There is also the option to subscribe to a members’ website with the selections posted there each morning.
Everybody will find the same selections providing they use the Racing Post paper version. The online version does occasionally have differing selections. All selections from the paper version are given daily on the website.
The bank was never in any real danger although for a short period of time it did show a loss. It soon recovered from this and has not looked back since.
The lay prices are usually quite low – from Evens to 4/1 being the norm and and an average of around 11/8. There was one glitch, however, where one lay won at 17.00. If not for this, the bank would have finished the trial over 30 points up. Even so to finish over 18 points to the good is no mean achievement in only 2 months.
I only have one negative, which is only a minor one and that is like all the rest of us, Chris is prone to the odd mistake on his site. By that I mean he occasionally misses the odd qualifying race or posts the wrong time of race. This by no means lowers my estimation of the system and in my opinion Profitable Lays will be a long term profit maker and I would highly recommend it.
Geoff Haines
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Profitable Lays System Review Results
Profitable Lays : Day 1: 28/11/11
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 3 winning bets and 9 losing bets.
Daily: Profit/Loss:+4.24pts or £42.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +4.24pts or +£42.40 to £10pt
Profitable Lays : Day 2 : 29/11/11
Today we were supplied with12 selections.
These resulted in 2 winning bets and 10 losing bets
Daily Profit/Loss: +4.39pts or £43.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +8.63pts or £86.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays:Day3: 30/11/11
Today we were supplied with 21 selections
These resulted in 8 winning bets and 13 losing bets
Daily:Profit/Loss: +3.72pts or £37.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss : +12.35pts of £123.50 to £10point
Profitable Lays : Day 4: 01/12/11
Today we were supplied with 18 selections
These resulted in 8 winning lays and 10 losing lays
Daily: Profit/Loss: -3.53pts or £35.30 to £10point
Overall:Profit/Loss:+8.82pts or£ 88.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays : Day 5: 02/12/11
Today we were supplied with 23 selections
These resulted in 8 winning lays and 15 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss +3.48pts or £34.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss +12.30pts or £123.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 6: 03/12/11
Today we were supplied with 24 selections
These resulted in 9 winning lays and 15 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.75pts or £17.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +14.05pts or £140.50 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 7: 04/12/11
Today we were supplied with 9 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.20pts or £2.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +14.25pts or £142.50 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 8: 05/12/11
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 8 losing lays
DailyProfit Loss: -5.34pts or £53.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +8.91 pts or £89.10 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 9: 06/12/11
Today we were supplied with 21 selections
These resulted in 10 winning lays and 11 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss:-6.24pts or £62.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss:+2.67pts or ££26.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 10: 07/12/11
Today we were supplied with 17 selections
These resulted in 9 winning lays and 8 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -5.87pts or £58.70 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss :-3.2pts or £32.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays : Day 11: 08/12/11
Today we were supplied with 21 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 15 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.00pts or £20.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss -1.2pts or £12.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 12: 09/12/11
Today we were supplied with 26 selections.
These resulted in 9 winning lays and 17 losing lays.
Daily Profit/Loss: +7.58pts or £75.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +6.38pts or £63.80 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 13: 10/12/11
Today we were supplied with 24 selections.
These resulted in 12 winning lays and 12 losing lays.
Daily Profit/Loss: -8.52pts or -£85.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: -2.14pts or -£21.40 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 14: 11/12/11
Today we were supplied with 6 selections.
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 4 losing lays.
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.02pts or £20.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: -0.12pts or -£1.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays:Day 15: 12/12/11
Today we were supplied with 8 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 3 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -3.68pts or £36.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: -3.80 or £38.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 16: 13/12/11
Today we were supplied with 8 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +4.87pts or £48.70 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +1.07pts or £10.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 17: 14/12/11
Today we were supplied with 9 selections
These resulted in 4 winning lays and 5 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.06pts or 60p to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss+1.13pts or £11.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays:Day 18: 15/12/11
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 11 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.68pts or £26.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +3.81pts or £38.10 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 19: 16/12/11
Today we were supplied with 14 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 8 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.35pts or £13.50 to £10.00point
Overall Profit/Loss:+5.16pts or£51.60 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 20: 17/12/11
Today we were supplied with 20 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 14 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +3.27pts or £32.70 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss : +8.43pts or £84.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 21: 18/12/11
Today we were supplied with 8 selections
These resulted in 4 winning lays and 4 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.40pts or £14.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +9.83 pts or £98.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays:Day 22: 19/12/11
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 8 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.46pts or £4.60 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss:+10.29pts or £102.90 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 23: 20/12/11
Today we were supplied with 17 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 11 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.94pts or £29.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +13.23pts or £132.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 24: 21/12/11
Today we were supplied with 20 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 14 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.21pts or £2.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +13.02pts or£130.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day25: 22/12/11
Today we were supplied with 14 selections
These resulted in 4 winning lays and 10 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +3.44pts or £34.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +16.46pts or £164.60 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 26: 26/12/11
Today we were supplied with 24 selections
These resulted in 9 winning lays and 15 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss +2.51pts or £25.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss +18.97 pts or£1189.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 27: 27/12/11
Today we were supplied with 9 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 7 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +3.63pts or £36.30 to £10point
Overal Profit/Loss: +22.60pts or £226.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 28: 28/12/11
Today we were supplied with 26 selections
These resulted in 11 winning lays and 15 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.99pts or £19.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss +24.59pts or £245.90 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 29: 29/12/11
Today we were supplied with 10 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 7 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +4.15pts or £41.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +28.74pts or£287.40 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 30: 30/12/11
Today we were supplied with 11 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -4.97pts or £49.70 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +23.77pts or £237.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays:Day31 : 31/12/11
Today we were supplied with 18 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 12 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.25pts or £12.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +22.52pts or £225.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 32: 01/01/12
Today we were supplied with 18 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 13 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +5.22pts or £52.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +27.74pts or £277.40 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 33: 02/01/12
Today we were supplied with 14 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 9 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.89pts or £28.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +30.63pts or £306.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 34: 03/01/12
Today we were supplied with 6 selections
These resulted in 4 winning lays and 2 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -3.86pts or £38.60 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +26.77pts or £267.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 35: 04/01/12
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 13 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +8.14pts or £81.40 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +34.91pts or £349.10 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 36: 05/01/12
Today we were supplied with 5 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 5 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.58pts or £15.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +36.49pts or £364.90 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 37: 06/01/12
Today we were supplied with 6 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 3 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -2.80pts or £28.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +33.69pts or £336.90 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 38: 07/01/12
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 9 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +3.69pts or £36.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +37.38pts or£ 373.80 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 39: 08/01/12
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -2.06pts or £20.60 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +35.32pts or £353.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 40: 09/01/12
Today we were supplied with 6 selections
These resulted in 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +5.7pts or £57.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +41.02pts or £410.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 41: 10/01/12
Today we were supplied with 2 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.98pts or £19.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +39.04pts or £390.40 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 42: 11/01/12
Today we were supplied with 20 selections
These resulted in 6 winning lays and 14 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.91pts or £29.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +41.95pt or £419.50 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 43: 12/01/12
Today we were supplied with 15 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 8 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -4.03pts or £40.30 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +37.92pts or £379.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 44: 14/01/12
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 8 winning lays and 4 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -9.35 points or £93.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +28.57pts or £285.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 45: 14/01/12
Today we were supplied with 24 selections
These resulted in 8 winning lays and 16 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +3.81pts or £38.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +32.38pts or £323.80 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 46: 15/01/12
Today we were supplied with 6 selections
These resulted in 2 winning lays and 4 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.18pts or £11.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +31.20pts or £312.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 47: 16/01/12
Today we were supplied with 3 selections
These resulted in 1 winning lay and 2 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -2.60pts or £26.00 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +28.60pts or £286.00 to £10point
Profitable Lays: 17/01/12
No Selections Today
Profitable Lays: Day 48: 18/01/12
Today we were supplied with 24 selections
These resulted in 11 winning lays and 13 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.32pts or £13.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +27.28pts or £272.80 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 49: 19/01/12
Today we were supplied with 14 selections
These resulted in 5 winning lays and 9 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.75pts or £17.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +25.53pts or £255.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 50: 20/01/12
Today we were supplied with 3 selections
These resulted in 3 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.85pts or £28.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +28.38pts or £283.80 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 51: 21/01/12
Today we were supplied with 33 selections
These resulted in 13 winning lays and 20 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -4.12pts or £41.20 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +24.26pts or £242.60 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 52: 22/01/11
Today we were supplied with 9 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 6 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.57pts or £5.70 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +24.83pts or £248.30 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 53: 23/01/12
Today we were supplied with 6 selections
These resulted in 1 winning lay and 5 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +2.21pts or £22.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +27.04pts or £270.40 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 54: 24/01/12
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 4 winning lays and 8 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -12.75pts or £127.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +14.29pts or £142.90 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day55:25/01/12
Today we were supplied with 8 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 5 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.08pts or £10.80 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +13.21pts or £132.10 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 56: 26/01/12
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 5 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: -7.69pts or £76.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +5.52pts or £55.20 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 57: 27/01/12
Today we were supplied with 21 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 14 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +6.45pts or £64.50 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +11.97pts or £119.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 58: 28/01/12
Today we were supplied with 18 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 11 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.79pts or £17.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +13.76pts or £137.60 to £10point
Profitable Lays: 29/01/12
NO SELECTIONS TODAY
Profitable Lays: Day 59: 30/01/12
Today we were supplied with 12 selections
These resulted in 3 winning lays and 9 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: + 3.01pts or £30.10 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +16.77pts or £167.70 to £10point
Profitable Lays: Day 60: 31/01/12
Today we were supplied with 18 selections
These resulted in 7 winning lays and 11 losing lays
Daily Profit/Loss: +1.79pts or £17.90 to £10point
Overall Profit/Loss: +18.56pts or £185.60 to £10point
This concludes our review of Profitable Lays
Hi
A month ago i have tested this strategy but i think i was in a unluck row…i loose money with that…
Hi,
No betting system is infallible and they will all go through a period of losing money at some point. Profitable Lays is going well at present, but it will no doubt have its ups and downs along the way.
Chris (Admin)
how did overall profit go from 123 to 53 on day 6 after winning 17.50 that day??
There’s obviously an error in there: I’ll investigate & recitfy.
Chris (Admin)
Day 6′s P/L had been erroneously added to Day’s P/L figure rather than the Overall P/L figure.
All rectified now, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Chris (Admin)
Hi Chris W,
I’m also using the system but seem to have differing results to yourself and PL website ,for 13/12/11 i had a points profit of 1.16 whereas yourself and PL have over +4 points, i’m laying all horses picked at BSP with a maximum liability and with no maximum odds , any help greatly recieved cheers dave
Hi Dave,
The difference is probably arising from you laying them at Betfair SP at a fixed liability. We always declare our results to a level stake and we can’t lay to a level stake at SP, so we need to take a price, generally via a bot.
The differences in prices achieved might account for the variance in the figures. It should also be noted that Profitable lays own results pages does not take any betfair commission into consideration, which will also cause differences in the figures.
Chris (admin)
Firstly the system works on £75 per bet (lay).So the 13th.Dec .I did the 8 bets (1 n/r)
You state 2wins / 6 losers.
How come? only one lost (came 1st.) the other 7 won me £70 less £19.20 for the winner
Regards Terry
Terry, the system manual refers to placing lays at £25, not £75.
However we always work to a £10 stake for reasons of convenience and uniformity across the site.
There were bets in 3 races yesterday: 1 losing bet in race 1 and 1 losing bet in race 3.
Chris (Admin)
Sorry Chris – no losing bet in race 3 ! one N/R Surf & Turf – that left Primrose Time 5th., + Storm Surge 2nd nice £20 for me !
Terry,
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at.
Storm Surge was a lay: it got placed, so you lost money.
Chris (Admin)
Hi there,just checking…do you limit your liability to either a maximum odds no you are willing to lay to or limit amount you’re prepared to lose…I ask as place odds can be large sometimes
Hi Kevin, good question.
The simple answer is no. No maximum liability and no maximum odds. The odds for Profitable Lays are very rarely large anyway. The average is around the 2.40 mark.
There is certainly smth going wrong with this.
1.Comparing your results with the author’s results at his sales page, i find nothing the same.And if he is not taking into consideration the 5% deduction of the the Betfair commision, then is surely hiding something.When having 8 winning lays ,the actual profit is 7,6 pts not 8 pts!
And while the author claims a 537 pts profit since May 2010, when placing so many bets,if you apply the Betfair commision, then surely the profit will be chopped off.
2.Also in another review of the product (in another site) during the live test, they recorded a 17 pt loss,while in the same period the author claims a profit of 20 pts.
That’s a huge difference, don’t you think?
I don’t believe the reviewer would have any reason to use false results, after all he could be grandring some commision for selling it.
Hi Chris,
I can only really comment on what we do here at OBE. We are live trialling this as you can see and the results we are declaring are the results our reviewer is getting.
There may be slight differences between our figures and those on the Profitable Lays, but hat will probably be down to the variance in odds between the time our reviewer takes his price and the actual Betfair SP, which the system author declares his results to.
I cannot pass any opinion on how other review sites are run, but I can assure you that we would never over inflate the true worth of a system in return for financial reward. Mine and the site’s integrity and reputation are worth far more than that.
Please be assured that the figures we quote on our reviews are representative of a system’s performance.
Thanks,
Chris Worrall (Support)
First of all i never doubted the integrity of this site, i truly respect your work here.
But on the other hand, the difference in results i’ve mentioned above is also true and that is what worries me.
Also, something i forgot to add yesterday..In his site, the author claims a 60% with an average losing SP of 2.4..
So, placing 100 bets, i win in 60 of them making my net profit 60*0,95=57 pts
I lose the other 40, with an average liability of 2.4-1=1.4 pts, so my loss is 40*1,4=56 pts
At the end, i have a net profit of 1 pt for each 100 bets or 140 pts liability, returning 0,7% for my investment.
In conclusion, unless i’m making any dreadful mistake with my original estimations regarding the SR and the avg losing SP, i can’t see how the author’s longterm results can stand.
Accept my apologies before hand, if there’s something i misunderstood.
Hi Chris,
I’m sorry if I suggested you were doubting our integrity: that certainly wasn’t my intention.
The strike rate is quoted as being over 60%, it is currently running at around the 65% mark and showing an average of around 12 lays per day.
If there are an average of 12 lays per day, we can approximate this to 360 lays per month. Profitable Lays own results claim an average of around 25 pts per month after commissions (27pts beforehand).
To achieve this profit, the system would need a strike rate of around 62%: it is currently running at around 66% over the last couple of weeks and at 63% over the last 6 weeks.
Therefore, I really do believe that those profits are realistically attainable.