Lay-zy Dogs System Review
Lay-zy Dogs System Review
Lay-zy Dogs is a laying system for the UK Greyhound Meetings. The cost of the system is £37 which gives you a 23-page PDF of the Lay-zy Dogs system rules and a full worked example of the rules.
There are seven Lay-zy Dog rules to apply which focus on finding the combination of poor trap draw and likely poor performance of the dog in that trap. The rules take a little bit of getting used to but once you have done a few selections it does become easier. In fact I found myself operating the rules in a slightly different order due to how the data appeared on the websites.
In terms of what do you need to run Lay-zy dogs? You need access to the internet and two websites, The Greyhound Breeding and Racing Database and The Racing Post, both of which are free to access. Because there are many races to look through, I found it useful to use my printer to produce a hardcopy of the meeting (not individual races) . In this way I could mark off whether a meeting qualified for selection or not.
Personally I would also recommend a betting bot if you cannot, or do not want to be sat at in front of the computer all day. Lay-zy Dogs selections can be made the evening before, or on the morning of, the day’s racing. Therefore it is simple enough to load them into your bot in the morning and fire it up.
Matt Houghton, author of Lay-zy Dogs, does address the little concern I have with any laying greyhound system, which is the issue of liquidity an liability. The liquidity of the markets is not good, therefore it can lead to some serious liability, which is reflected by the limit placed on the lay bets of 11.0. However, Matt keeps the losses to a minium by advising staking to liability and specifically suggesting laying to a liability of 5% of your bank. Although if you feel this is too adventurous, or not adventurous enough, you can adjust your stake accordingly.
As for how I intend to approach the Lay-zy Dogs review? I will select two or three cards at random and make the selections from those cards. I will start with a betting bank of £1,000 and stake to 5% liability as suggested in the manual. The selections will be monitored via paper trading on a betting bot to determine the lay odds available. The Lay-zy Dogs ’virtual bets’ will be placed in the 20 seconds before the scheduled race start.
I have included the Industry SP in the results purely for comparision purposes only. They play NO part in any of the bet calculations. It will be interesting to see how the exchange odds differ from the bookie prices.
———- Lay-zy Dogs Detailed Results ——–
Day 1 - Lay-zy Dogs 31/03/2011
There are 13 selections from today’s meetings at Romford, Crayford and Belle Vue:
Time | Meeting | Selection | BF Odds |
ISP | Result | Stake | Profit / Loss |
14:08 | Romford | Pouldine Kiowa | 8.00 | (6.00) | W | £3.57 | £3.39 |
14:27 | Romford | Gouldiam Robin | 8.00 | (5.50) | W | £3.60 | £3.42 |
15:17 | Crayford | Playfield Era | 4.60 | (4.00) | W | £7.04 | £6.69 |
16:08 | Romford | Gulvins Luck | 7.00 | (5.00) | W | £4.28 | £4.07 |
16:18 | Crayford | Heaven Sent | >11 | (9.00) | NoBet | ||
16:37 | Crayford | Stayinbythewall | 10.00 | (6.00) | W | £2.88 | £2.73 |
17:17 | Crayford | Nanny Ni Hills | 3.75 | (4.00) | L | £9.46 | -£26.01 |
18:04 | Crayford | Fawkham Veri | 9.60 | (6.00) | W | £2.87 | £2.73 |
18:18 | Crayford | Bulletproof | 6.00 | (6.00) | W | £4.97 | £4.72 |
19:25 | Belle Vue | Princess Liz | >11 | (7.00) | NoBet | ||
19:55 | Belle Vue | Seathwaite City | >11 | (7.00) | NoBet | ||
20:25 | Belle Vue | Wilcos Thunder | >11 | (5.50) | NoBet | ||
21:40 | Belle Vue | Autumn Hope | >11 | (8.00) | NoBet |
Potentially, it looks like the afternoon meetings, rather than the evening meetings, are better selections to achieve the odds required to make a bet. No conclusion should be drawn at this early stage for Lay-zy Dogs, but one hypothesis is that the afternoon meetings draw more attention therefore have a greater liquidity that the evening cards.
Profit / Loss Today: £1.73
Overall Strike Rate: 87.5%
Net Betting Bank: £501.73
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Day 2 - Lay-zy Dogs 01/04/2011
I have opted for 16 selections from today’s meetings at Oxford, Hove, Monmore and Swindon:
Time | Meeting | Selection | BF Odds |
ISP | Result | Stake | Profit / Loss |
11:19 | Oxford | Global Maldini | 3.95 | (3.50) | W | £8.50 | £8.08 |
12:04 | Oxford | Dilton Ellie | 16.00 | (9.00) | NoBet | ||
12:27 | Hove | Viewpark Jinky | 18.00 | (8.00) | NoBet | ||
12:47 | Oxford | Fane Cracker | 12.00 | (7.00) | NoBet | ||
13:19 | Oxford | Greencroft Honch | 16.50 | (9.00) | NoBet | ||
13:44 | Hove | Jumeirah Bee | 14.50 | (6.00) | NoBet | ||
13:58 | Hove | Johns Not Rotten | 16.00 | (7.00) | NoBet | ||
14:08 | Swindon | Bolt The Gate | 8.60 | (6.00) | W | £3.35 | £3.19 |
14:18 | Monmore | Kitchen Sink | 10.00 | (7.00) | W | £2.85 | £2.71 |
14:37 | Monmore | Direct Angie | 9.00 | (6.00) | W | £3.22 | £3.06 |
15:07 | Swindon | Clydal Stride | 14.00 | (8.00) | NoBet | ||
15:48 | Swindon | Line cut | 5.60 | (3.75) | W | £5.64 | £5.36 |
16:27 | Swindon | Annual Arrow | 6.40 | (5.00) | W | £4.85 | £4.61 |
17:07 | Swindon | Class Eagle | 10.50 | (5.00) | W | £2.78 | £2.64 |
17:33 | Monmore | Blazer Diamond | 2.92 | (2.75) | W | £13.84 | £13.15 |
18:18 | Monmore | Murlens Raven | 4.50 | (4.00) | W | £7.78 | £7.39 |
A wonderful day today for Lay-zy Dogs, with all qualifiying lay bets winning, giving us a profit of over £50. Again, it is noticable that the afternoon meetings were able to achieve their bets, this time better than the morning meetings. This could be another indicator that the afternoon cards are more liquid and potentially give us better odds.
Profit / Loss Today: £50.18
Overall Strike Rate: 94.1%
Net Betting Bank: £551.91
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Day 3 - Lay-zy Dogs 02/04/2011
16 selections today from a combination of Crayford, Newcastle, Poole, Sittingbourne and Hall Green. I have opted for a selection from early afternoon through to late evening to see if there is any noticable difference in the odds.
Time | Meeting | Selection | BF Odds |
ISP | Result | Stake | Profit / Loss |
13:11 | Crayford | Newlawn Scarty | 5.40 | (4.50) | W | £6.27 | £5.96 |
13:44 | Crayford | Swift Rewavance | 6.40 | (5.00) | W | £5.17 | £4.91 |
15:37 | Newcastle | Barrhead Black | 22.00 | (13.00) | NoBet | ||
15:53 | Newcastle | Matty’s Girl | 12.00 | (6.00) | NoBet | ||
18:33 | Poole | Rambos Illusion | 4.90 | (3.25) | W | £7.22 | £6.85 |
18:44 | Sittingbourne | Local Event | 9.80 | (6.00) | L | £3.24 | -£28.48 |
19:06 | Poole | Nevus Blue | 10.50 | (7.00) | W | £2.85 | £2.71 |
19:50 | Hall Green | Watch For Fun | 21.00 | (6.00) | NoBet | ||
20:04 | Sittingbourne | Hedsor Dianne | 28.00 | (11.00) | NoBet | ||
20:05 | Hall Green | Lagganmore Hawk | 13.00 | (4.50) | NoBet | ||
20:20 | Hall Green | Ardera Chloe | 13.00 | (4.50) | NoBet | ||
20:36 | Sittingbourne | Barngrane Alan | 10.50 | (6.00) | W | £2.86 | £2.72 |
20:41 | Poole | King Dior | 8.00 | (6.00) | W | £3.90 | £3.71 |
20:52 | Sittingbourne | Star Fish | 7.00 | (5.00) | W | £4.59 | £4.36 |
21:20 | Hall Green | Ballinclare Lee | 85.00 | (6.00) | NoBet | ||
21:22 | Sittingbourne | Kiwis Dilemma | 20.00 | (9.00) | NoBet |
A small profit of almost £3 today for Lay-zy Dogs, which is better than a loss, so I shouldn’t complain. However, it is very noticable how the lay odds on the greyhounds are quite high, hence our seven wins from the day were almost cancelled out by the one loss at Sittingbourne. One extreme example of the liquidity issue was highlighted in the 21:20 at Hall Green where we could only achieve lay odds of 85.0 within 20 seconds of the race starting, yet 5/1 was available to back Ballinclare Lee with the bookmakers.
Profit / Loss Today: £2.73
Overall Strike Rate: 92.0%
Net Betting Bank: £554.64
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Day 4 - Lay-zy Dogs 03/04/2011
Brought back down to earth with a bit of a bump, wiping out any gain the bank had made todate. This just shows the impact of a few losing lays at these odds.
Todays’ selections were from every race meeting possible that Betfair was publishing and available through the betting bot. For the record some points of note are:
- Two qualifying races at Perry Barr were abondonned, which could have effected the bottom line for the day in either direction.
- Both the 12:32 at Pery Barr and the 15:27 at Kinsley, the odds disqualified the selection from placing a bet. However both produced dogs that won their races. In both cases the odds recorded were not a million miles away from the 11.0 limit set by the system. Therefore it could have been a pretty disastrous result if they had both qualified.
Time | Meeting | Selection | BF Odds |
ISP | Result | Stake | Profit / Loss |
11:19 | Perry Barr | Best Sunshine | 12.00 | (7.00) | NoBet | £2.52 | £0.00 |
11:34 | Perry Barr | Solway King | 3.50 | (3.25) | W | £11.09 | £10.54 |
11:58 | Hove | Doidys Dream | 8.20 | (5.50) | W | £3.92 | £3.73 |
12:13 | Hove | Swift Chariot | 11.00 | (8.00) | W | £2.84 | £2.70 |
12:18 | Perry Barr | Autumn Fusion | 5.10 | (4.00) | L | £6.97 | -£28.58 |
12:32 | Perry Barr | Big Nellie | 13.50 | (9.00) | NoBet | ||
12:42 | Hove | Mandela House | 7.00 | (6.00) | W | £4.53 | £4.30 |
13:04 | Perry Barr | Chapelane Carty | 9.60 | (7.00) | L | £3.18 | -£27.37 |
13:19 | Perry Barr | Highfire Charlie | 3.90 | (3.25) | L | £8.96 | -£26.00 |
13:33 | Perry Barr | Polnoon Jet | 7.80 | NoBet | Abandonned | ||
13:44 | Hove | Karma Light | 3.40 | (3.25) | W | £10.29 | £9.78 |
13:51 | Perry Barr | Rhincrew George | 9.00 | NoBet | Abandonned | ||
13:58 | Hove | Guiness Black | 10.50 | (8.00) | W | £2.65 | £2.52 |
14:06 | Perry Barr | Cragg Merc | 12.00 | NoBet | |||
15:13 | Kinsley | Royal Trooper | 10.50 | (6.00) | W | £2.66 | £2.53 |
15:22 | Oxford | Active Wasp | 5.40 | (5.00) | W | £5.78 | £5.49 |
15:27 | Kinsley | Boozed Tangler | 11.50 | (7.00) | NoBet | ||
15:59 | Kinsley | Satellite Ninja | 7.80 | (6.00) | W | £3.78 | £3.59 |
16:14 | Kinsley | Feystown Ollie | 10.00 | (9.00) | W | £2.88 | £2.73 |
16:54 | Oxford | Greencroft Angel | 11.50 | (5.00) | NoBet | ||
17:11 | Oxford | Bright Hawk | 10.50 | (5.00) | W | £2.74 | £2.60 |
17:27 | Oxford | Ballymac Said | 7.00 | (7.00) | W | £4.36 | £4.14 |
17:44 | Oxford | Shelbourne Perk | 4.30 | (4.00) | L | £7.99 | -£26.37 |
Profit / Loss Today: -£53.66
Overall Strike Rate: 85.4%
Net Betting Bank: £500.98
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Take a look at Lay-zy Dogs….
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Delighted to see an honest review.
Unfortunately the premise on which this system is sold is that its independant “reviewer” made an enticing profit.
What the sales letter does NOT tell you is that the so called review did not use achieved lay prices as this sites tester is doing, but used SP. We know:-
a. Theres is a variance from SP tp Lay sp, which on the gogs, as highlighted by your reviewer can be hundreds of percent increase.
b. If you apply a modest plusage to SP for the sales letters published figures, there is still a small profit being made, but I used my own money to test and after a couple of decent days soon ran into losses so stopped. Because there is sense to the methodoligy I believe it will be possible to scrape along without losing money, but do not buy on the basis of the sales letter. Follow the results of this sites seemingly very thorough tester instead
I had a discussion with Mr Houghton about this but it still appears that the published figures are still be used to justify the “profits achieved by the “independant tester”" in the sales letter and we KNOW they cannot be so.
Buyers Beware